Webcast

Should The Digital Team Just Run The Entire Company?

A debate on whether B2B companies should place digital leaders in the C-suite now or take a more measured approach that balances digital expertise with domain knowledge and channel complexity.

Key takeaways

  • Walmart doubled its market cap between 2016 and 2021 after hiring Mark Lori from Jet.com and giving him authority over digital initiatives. Digital penetration grew from 3% to 11% in that period, raising the question of where the company would be if they had acted four years earlier.
  • Companies with digital-experienced executives show dramatically higher digital penetration: Grainger has four digitally experienced executives and exceeds 70% digital sales, MSC has three and exceeds 60%, while Fastnal has none in the C-suite and sits at 16%.
  • 80% of interactions between B2B buyers and sellers now happen online. Yet the debate concluded that most companies are not ready for a digital-only approach because of channel complexity, dealer relationships, and products that require configuration or safety considerations.
  • The next generation of B2B buyers is 75% millennials who are digital natives. The skills that got executives to the C-suite in the past may not be the skills companies need for the future.
  • Digital KPIs like touchless orders serve as leading indicators that inform traditional metrics. Companies without C-suite executives who understand these signals risk reacting to market changes rather than anticipating them.

Digital penetration in B2B has roughly doubled in the last three years. McKinsey research shows that e-commerce is now tied with in-person as the highest revenue-generating sales model. The question facing B2B companies is whether to put digital leaders in charge now or take a measured approach that balances digital expertise with domain knowledge.

The correlation between digital leadership and digital sales

A simple analysis of executive teams reveals striking patterns. Fastenal, a company doing approximately $7 billion in annual revenue with about $1 billion online, has no executives with significant digital experience in the C-suite. Their digital penetration sits at 16%.

Contrast that with Grainger, where four executives have significant digital backgrounds, including DJ McPherson who led early digital initiatives. Grainger exceeds 70% digital penetration. MSC shows a similar pattern: three of nine executives are steeped in digital, and digital penetration exceeds 60%.

The hosts presented Walmart as a B2C cautionary tale that B2B companies can learn from. When Walmart acquired Jet.com and hired Marc Lore in 2016, they gave him authority to transform digital operations. By 2021, Walmart’s market cap had doubled and digital penetration grew from 3% to 11%. The question posed: what if they had acted in 2012 instead of 2016?

The debate format

Team Digital Now featured Eric Rehl, head of digital transformation at ABNET, and Ed Kennedy from Adobe. Team Digital Soon included Silvija Papka from Snap-on and Bret Bruin from Toyota Material Handling. Both sides brought experience from companies navigating digital transformation amid channel complexity.

Round 1: Digital-first customer experience

Eric Rehl argued that digital first is a way of thinking, not just about journeys but about delivering a company’s full value proposition across the entire customer lifecycle. Companies not pushing digital engagement as far as possible across their value proposition will be left behind.

Ed Kennedy added that buyers start their journey on Google, websites, or review sites. They may take a month to six months before calling a sales rep. How can anyone argue for a conventional approach when the customer has already moved?

If you are not thinking digitally first and you are not embedding digital capability and digital engagement and digital service delivery across that full value proposition, you are going to be left behind.

Eric Rehl, ABNET

Silvija Papka pushed back that when customers need guidance finding the right solution among thousands or millions of SKUs, they require salespeople with expertise. Digital is efficient when customers know what they want, but complex solution selling still needs human guidance.

Bret Bruin noted that Toyota Material Handling has 60 independently owned dealers with limited digital experience. Some fear disintermediation. Managing channel conflict affects the pace and cost of transformation.

Eric clarified that digital first does not mean digital only. Companies must start by thinking digitally to understand how far they can push acceleration, then focus on the moments that matter, both digital and non-digital.

The audience voted for a combination of online and offline teams, giving Team Digital Soon the round.

Round 2: Metrics and KPIs

Eric Rehl stated that revenue is the only KPI that ultimately matters, and digital KPIs are business KPIs. They tell you how you are accelerating, how you are acquiring customers, and how you are moving them through their lifecycle.

Ed Kennedy cited Sealed Air as an example. When they implemented a commerce platform, their primary metric was touchless orders: transactions that did not require sales rep or ops intervention. That metric directly correlated with reduced costs and increased share of wallet.

That touchless order metric drove the other core metrics of the business. You have to start adding these to the mix and prioritizing them because they are leading indicators of all the other metrics in your business.

Ed Kennedy, Adobe

Silvija Papka countered that traditional metrics have stood the test of time and are embedded in company culture. Digital metrics can overwhelm organizations with data that does not connect to outcomes. Email open rates, for example, may not translate to revenue.

Bret Bruin noted that when 85 to 90 percent of transactions still occur offline through dealerships, performance conversations with those dealers must prioritize metrics they understand and that drive their business today.

Eric framed digital KPIs as leading indicators that signal where the business is headed and where customer interests lie. Without prioritizing those signals, companies end up reacting instead of predicting.

The audience again voted for a combination approach, giving Team Digital Soon the round.

Round 3: Hiring for digital transformation

Silvija Papka argued that teaching e-commerce tools is easier than teaching product knowledge and industry context. Creating marketing content requires understanding what you are selling, not just how to load it into a PIM.

Bret Bruin recommended starting with internal talent who understand the business but support digital transformation, then supplementing with external partners who can accelerate development and bring fresh perspectives.

Ed Kennedy distinguished between C-suite and practitioners. At the executive level, companies need people who understand digital and can learn the business. Practitioners and middle management can be developed from within. If you believe digital will be 30, 40, 60 percent of revenue, you have to build the culture around digital.

If you are thinking about teaching people e-commerce instead of hiring them, you are not taking digital seriously. This is a business model. This is a go-to-market strategy. You need people who fundamentally know and are experienced with taking a company to market in this regard.

Eric Riel, ABNET

Rehl emphasized that he does not want B2C experience. He wants B2B digital experience: people who understand full lifecycle, complex long-term relationships, and service models beyond a single e-commerce transaction.

The audience voted 75% that B2C e-commerce experience is more important to hire for, giving Team Digital Now the final round.

The verdict: Digital soon wins, but the trend is clear

Team Digital Soon won two of three rounds, but the hiring question revealed where the industry is heading. The next generation of B2B buyers is 75% millennials who are digital natives. Digital leaders have had to be strategically cross-functional and tactically scrappy to get priorities executed, skills that translate to broader leadership.

Three conclusions emerged. First, digital needs a seat at the leadership table and a strong voice in company direction. Second, digital KPIs are leading indicators that should inform traditional metrics, not replace them. Third, hiring B2C e-commerce experience can accelerate transformation, but domain expertise cannot be ignored for complex products and channel relationships.

The moderators suggested that in two years, the same debate might produce different results. As more companies bring in digitally experienced leaders, the first two questions may flip. The correlation between digital leadership and digital penetration appears too strong to be coincidence.

Frequently asked questions

Should digital leaders run B2B companies?

The debate concluded that companies need a balance, but digital expertise at the executive level correlates strongly with digital penetration. Companies like Grainger and MSC that have multiple digitally experienced executives achieve 60 to 70 percent digital sales, while companies without digital executives in the C-suite often remain below 20%. The consensus was that digital should have a seat at the table and a strong voice in company direction, but running the entire company requires broader experience.

Is B2B e-commerce a marathon or a sprint?

The debate split on this question. Digital advocates argued it has become a sprint because the point of customer engagement is increasingly digital, and being first to market matters. Domain advocates countered that a sprint mindset may only get companies to where they need to be today, not where they need to be in five to seven years as automation and other disruptions reshape industries.

Should B2B companies hire from B2C e-commerce or promote domain experts?

The audience voted 75% that B2C digital experience is more important to hire for than B2B domain experience. Digital advocates argued that if you are teaching people e-commerce instead of hiring experienced practitioners, you are not taking digital seriously. Domain advocates countered that understanding products, customers, and industry context is harder to teach than e-commerce tools and that outsiders often fail when they do not understand the business they are trying to transform.

What happened when Walmart hired Mark Lori?

Walmart acquired Jet.com and its founder Mark Lori in 2016. Lori, who had Amazon experience, was given authority over digital initiatives. Between 2016 and 2021, Walmart's market cap doubled and digital penetration grew from 3% to approximately 11%. The thought experiment posed was whether Walmart would be even further ahead if they had made this move in 2012 instead of 2016.

Why do some practitioners argue for a balanced approach rather than digital first?

Complex B2B environments involve channel partners, dealer networks, and products that require expertise to configure safely. Toyota Material Handling, for example, has 60 independently owned dealers with limited digital experience who fear disintermediation. The pace of digital transformation must account for change management across these relationships. Additionally, products like forklifts or safety equipment have configurations that can be unsafe if specified incorrectly.

What are touchless orders and why do they matter?

Touchless orders are transactions that complete without human intervention from sales reps or operations staff. One practitioner cited Sealed Air using touchless orders as their primary success metric for digital transformation because it directly correlated with reduced costs and increased share of wallet. Digital advocates argued that such metrics are leading indicators of overall business health.

Sources & methodology

  1. McKinsey B2B buyer research (February 2021 to November 2021)
  2. Walmart market cap and digital penetration analysis
  3. Grainger, MSC, and Fastnal executive team analysis
  4. Master B2B Un-Webinar debate panel
  5. LinkedIn pre-debate poll (8,000 engagements)
Andy Hoar Andy Hoar
Co-Founder, Master B2B

Andy is a Co-Founder of Master B2B, founder of Paradigm B2B and author of the book Bot2Bot: The New Future of B2B Commerce. Andy is one of the leading global authorities on B2B commerce strategy.

Brian Beck Brian Beck
Co-Founder, Master B2B

Brian is a co-founder of Master B2B, Managing Partner of Amazon agency Enceiba, and author of the book "Billion Dollar B2B Ecommerce." Brian has also been C-level digital commerce executive with two decades of experience.

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