Friday 15 Podcast

Part 2: Is Generative Engine Optimization Taking Over SEO?

Brian Beck and Andy Hoar continue their examination of generative engine optimization, comparing AI search results to traditional Google search and discussing practical strategies for building authority.

Friday 15 Podcast

Key takeaways

  • Amazon CEO Andy Jassy stated that AI will reduce the corporate workforce as efficiency gains from AI agents eliminate some jobs while creating others, signaling fundamental changes in how companies approach staffing.
  • A side-by-side comparison of Google search versus ChatGPT for product queries shows Google providing options while ChatGPT provides answers with specific recommendations and reasoning.
  • Expertise, authoritativeness, and trustworthiness (EAT) are the key factors AI models use to evaluate sources, making genuine authority more important than technical optimization tricks.
  • Authoritative sources for AI citation include academic institutions, government agencies, established news sources, trade associations, industry publications, and peer-reviewed research.
  • Amazon may need to choose between the Google model of sponsored content and the ChatGPT model of objective recommendations, as Rufus faces credibility questions about whether recommendations are influenced by advertising.

Amazon CEO on AI and workforce

Amazon CEO Andy Jassy made headlines with a statement about AI’s impact on the corporate workforce. As the company rolls out more AI agents, he said, some jobs will be eliminated while others are created. In the next few years, the company expects this will reduce total corporate workforce through efficiency gains.

The hosts noted this may signal a fundamental break between growth and hiring. Historically, more production meant more people. It could now mean more AI agents instead.

Who would have thought the safer job at Amazon might be the delivery driver versus the AI software engineer who is going to be displaced by AI agents?

Andy Hoar, Master B2B

Options versus answers demonstrated

The hosts showed a side-by-side comparison of Google versus ChatGPT for the query best cordless screwdriver under $100. Google displays sponsored products, comparison articles, and listings. ChatGPT provides specific recommendations with pros, cons, use case guidance, and a statement that it selects products independently.

The difference is options versus answers. Google helps users evaluate choices. ChatGPT makes the choice and explains its reasoning. This shift changes what companies must optimize for.

EAT drives AI selection

The hosts explained that expertise, authoritativeness, and trustworthiness (EAT) determine how AI models select sources. AI systems make judgments about credibility based on semantic understanding rather than keyword matching. Content without demonstrated authority gets ignored by AI systems. Misinformation gets penalized.

It is hard to game it. There will be ways, but it is a much steeper hill to climb. You cannot just blanket the site with keywords and pay your way into it.

Andy Hoar, Master B2B

Authoritative sources matter

The hosts identified sources that AI models consider authoritative: academic institutions, government agencies, established news sources, trade associations, trade publications, peer-reviewed journals, and statistical sources like Pew Research or the Census Bureau. Being cited by these sources increases the likelihood of appearing in AI responses.

Notably absent from the list: ratings sites. The hosts observed that rating credibility has been undermined by fake reviews, and AI models may weight these sources less than sources with demonstrated editorial standards.

Amazon’s Rufus dilemma

The hosts questioned whether Amazon’s Rufus AI assistant will follow the Google model of sponsored content or the ChatGPT model of objective recommendations. Amazon faced credibility issues with product reviews when fake ratings became common. If Rufus recommendations appear influenced by advertising, customers may lose trust.

The hosts noted Amazon can choose objectivity more easily than Google because its revenue is not entirely dependent on advertising. AWS can subsidize the commerce business in ways Google cannot subsidize its search business.

Use case reviews gain importance

The hosts predicted that detailed use-case reviews will become more valuable for AI recommendations. Reviews describing specific applications, comparing alternatives, and explaining real-world outcomes provide objective information AI models value. Generic five-star reviews add little. Substantive reviews describing how products were used and what worked carry weight.

This represents an opportunity for B2B companies to encourage customers to share detailed use case documentation rather than simple satisfaction ratings.

Building authority over time

The hosts concluded with practical guidance: showcase real-world expertise through original content, cite credentials and authority, build digital footprint through third-party mentions, maintain structured high-quality content, demonstrate trustworthiness through transparency, leverage LinkedIn thought leadership, and get cited by trusted sources. Authority must be built over time through consistent presence, not purchased through advertising.

Frequently asked questions

What did Amazon's CEO say about AI and jobs?

Amazon CEO Andy Jassy stated that as the company rolls out more AI agents, it will change how work is done. He said some jobs will be eliminated while others will be created, and in the next few years the company expects this will reduce the total corporate workforce through efficiency gains. The hosts noted this may signal a fundamental break between growth and hiring, where companies can increase sales and profits through AI rather than adding staff.

How do Google search results compare to ChatGPT answers?

The hosts demonstrated a side-by-side comparison searching for the best cordless screwdriver under $100. Google shows sponsored products, comparison articles, and product listings, giving users options to evaluate. ChatGPT provides specific recommendations with pros, cons, use case guidance, and reasoning for its selections. The difference is options versus answers, with ChatGPT explicitly stating that it selects products independently.

What authoritative sources help with generative engine optimization?

The hosts listed sources that AI models consider authoritative: academic and research institutions, government agencies, established news sources, industry trade associations, trade publications, encyclopedias, organizational websites with demonstrated expertise, peer-reviewed journals, and statistical sources like Pew Research or the Census Bureau. Being cited by these sources increases the likelihood that AI models will include your company in their responses.

Will Amazon's Rufus follow the Google or ChatGPT model?

The hosts questioned whether Amazon's Rufus AI assistant will prioritize objective recommendations or sponsored content. Amazon already faced credibility issues with product reviews when fake ratings became common. If Rufus recommendations are influenced by advertising relationships, customers may lose trust. The hosts suggested Amazon will need to choose between the Google sponsored model and the ChatGPT objectivity model, and noted Amazon can afford to choose objectivity because its revenue is not entirely dependent on advertising.

Why do customer reviews matter for AI recommendations?

The hosts argued that customer reviews, particularly detailed use-case reviews, will become more important for AI recommendations. Reviews that describe specific applications, compare alternatives, and explain real-world outcomes provide the kind of objective information AI models value. Generic positive reviews add little value, while substantive reviews describing how products were used and what worked carry more weight in AI evaluation.

How can companies build authority for GEO?

The hosts recommended showcasing real-world expertise through original content, citing credentials and authority in your category, building a strong digital footprint through mentions on reputable third-party sites, maintaining structured and high-quality content, demonstrating trustworthiness through clear attribution and transparency, leveraging LinkedIn thought leadership, and getting cited by trusted sources. Authority must be built over time through consistent, substantive presence rather than short-term optimization tactics.

Sources & methodology

  1. Friday 15 Podcast, Master B2B
  2. Amazon CEO statement, June 2025
  3. Master B2B LinkedIn poll, June 2025
Andy Hoar Andy Hoar
Co-Founder, Master B2B

Andy is a Co-Founder of Master B2B, founder of Paradigm B2B and author of the book Bot2Bot: The New Future of B2B Commerce. Andy is one of the leading global authorities on B2B commerce strategy.

Brian Beck Brian Beck
Co-Founder, Master B2B

Brian is a co-founder of Master B2B, Managing Partner of Amazon agency Enceiba, and author of the book "Billion Dollar B2B Ecommerce." Brian has also been C-level digital commerce executive with two decades of experience.

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